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Why has microdosing psychedelics become so popular among high performers?

Is it legal?

Is it safe?

How do you do it?

This podcast was enlightening. If you know me, then you know that I’ve always been a fan of therapeutic psychedelics. This is Seth’s wheelhouse.

 

Seth has built an organized life that allows him the time and space to be as creative as possible. He’s a legit Rockstar who has also created a system of tools to support your most creative life. 

 

All of your questions surrounding this topic will be answered in this podcast!

 

00:01

Welcome to the While You Walk podcast. I'm here with Seth Marcus where we're going to do the talking and you're going to do the walking. Seth, welcome to the podcast. Thanks for being here. Thanks, man.

 

 00:12

I appreciate it. Guys, let me introduce Seth. He's a business owner, author, and musician, a certified psychedelic coach with a deep passion for personal transformation and nurturing creativity. I also share a passion for personal transformation.

 

 00:27

After overcoming a life -threatening illness in 2019, Seth rebuilt his body, mindset, and life through the power of intentional psychedelic use. We're going to talk about intentional psychedelic use today.

 

 00:40

Deep inner work, fitness, and creative expression. Now he dedicates his work to helping others unlock their peak potential through mindfulness practices, courageous and courageous action. Seth's mission is simple, to guide people in creating their best, most creative lives.

 

 00:55

That's just exciting to guide people in creating a life. Some other things Seth does, he's got this microdosing journal. That's pretty interesting. He's going to tell us about that. He's got an online course that's available everywhere.

 

 01:10

These microdoses and how they can help you achieve peak flow states, how they can help you enhance your creativity. Seth is also a rock star. Seth's the leader and bassist of the Denver -based band Dark Arts.

 

 01:26

You can find Dark Arts on Spotify. That's one word, Dark Arts. They've released three albums over the last seven years and they just played the iconic Red Rocks Amphitheater. I want to ask you about that.

 

 01:41

His music extends beyond the Dark Arts band but into ceremonial events and song circles. That's a big part of psychedelic use. Psychedelic coach, rock star, and cancer survivor, Seth. Dude, what was it like playing Red Rocks?

 

 02:00

2016, man, and music has always been my medicine, even before we started this whole intentional psychedelic thing together. And I started going down this profession of mine. Red Rocks was a transcendental experience.

 

 02:15

It just took me to another level of music appreciation. I have been hearing of Red Rocks since I was a kid, obviously the U2 show, Dave Matthews Band, The Grateful Dead, then I moved to Colorado and had installed tons of shows there and had always dreamed of what would it be like to be on that stage.

 

 02:38

So when we got the opportunity to play, I was kind of taken back by the whole thing, but then I started to practice what I preached to my clients, which is, you know, visualize your best life. Why not you?

 

 02:50

Everybody who's been on that stage didn't start as a rock star. You know, you gotta start as an amateur before you're a professional. And we were at it, it was our time. So we took it incredibly serious.

 

 03:00

I can see red rocks from my street every day. When I wake up and I drive in to go to the gym, I can see red rocks. And I started visualizing like, this is us. We are going to rock that. And we got out there.

 

 03:11

I said a quick prayer in the backstage while touching the rock. And we went out and just showed the world what dark arts was made of. And our recording and video are coming out here like the next couple of days.

 

 03:23

I'm so stoked. And I have no idea where it's gonna go. Who knows who's gonna see it. Maybe we might actually get that blow up that we've all been hoping for because our band is just fantastic. And on a side note, our lead singer was seven months pregnant when we performed.

 

 03:37

And as of just yesterday, she had her baby. So it's just, it's such an important beautiful experience for the band and for her and I'm just over the moon. So still kind of like digesting that massive achievement.

 

 03:50

Yeah. So it sounds like you have reached a point of living a creative life pretty successfully. Doing my best, man. It's not a, it's not an end goal. That's for sure. It's just always processed. It's always a journey.

 

 04:04

Give us the brief story, you know, 2014, 2019. Kind of how'd you get to a point where you're excited about this type of coaching with psychedelics where you got the band, where you've broken through some massive challenges and some really scary situations.

 

 04:22

Sure. So my journey with psychedelics blocks all the way back to when I was in high school, but like many of us, especially us kind of guys growing up in the late 90s, early 2000s, it was just another party drug for lack of a better, you know, like alcohol, cigarettes, weed, cocaine, and maybe, or psychedelics, maybe, right?

 

 04:43

Like there was kind of this more linear approach to the substances that we would take. And a lot of times we were taking them together. We were at parties or concerts. Or like, whatever, let's try it out.

 

 04:53

And a lot of us got some pretty crazy experiences. In my early days, it wasn't intentional, it was just recreational. And that started to shift when I had a few bad trips in my early days. I was like, you know what?

 

 05:06

This is not the way I want. I don't wanna put myself in a situation where I freak out. So that led me to starting to like go out and maybe consume mushrooms while camping with a few close friends and only consuming mushrooms as opposed to parties or concerts, things like that nature.

 

 05:23

And then that led me to trying ayahuasca in 2014, which was a massive, massive transformative experience for me. And it was so overwhelming at the time. I was also working with yoga and breath work and meditation.

 

 05:39

So there was a lot of discovery going on at the time. I didn't return back to that medicine for two years, which is when I actually met you when we were in Peru and we did a training together, which included a few plant medicine ceremonies.

 

 05:53

And I think that. journey really opened my eyes to how this medicine, when used intentionally, can absolutely, you know, quote, change your mind. And it started a trajectory of me using these medicines to strengthen my own personal creativity, my comprehension of life and death and my sense of purpose, my closeness with God or creator, obviously my creative self within, and also really, it really changed my community as well.

 

 06:24

And the people that I surround myself with. That started in 2016, roughly, when I met you, I started sitting with ayahuasca more and more often and actually consuming psilocybin or mushrooms less at the time.

 

 06:39

And then after about five or six years of semi -regularly attending ayahuasca ceremonies, I found myself just incredibly sick overnight with what turned out to be a very rare showing of Hodgkin's lymphoma.

 

 06:58

This was back in 2009. So within about 30 to 40 days, I went from healthy, living my life, working out, doing mindfulness and accountability groups with you, Matt, to being in the hospital, lost about 40 pounds in like 40 days.

 

 07:16

I was wasting away and people were not afraid I wasn't going to make it. That led to out six months in and out of hospitals, going through treatments, all, I mean, all sorts of stuff. But I decided in some of those dark moments that this was not my time to go.

 

 07:34

It never once crossed my mind that I was going to kick the bucket. And I think a lot of that was my experience and some of these profound ayahuasca experiences that were kind of these, what they call ego deaths or these moments of absolute clarity, where you no longer fear the unknown, the uncertainty of death.

 

 07:52

And that, that, that the empowerment that that gave me, along with the support and the community that is a part of that circle that I'm a part of, it helps support me to get myself back up and start going from somebody who could do, who could run miles and do burpees, all these things to someone who could hardly even sit up in their bed or do one pushup or one squat and have to restart all the way from that.

 

 08:19

And that was a huge key turning point because at that point I realized like, I've got a new mission to live. This isn't just kind of like wandering. I now I'm no longer in discovery. I'm now in this building elevated state.

 

 08:31

Like there's a reason why I survived that and I'm here to help people and to be my best fricking self. Can we curse on this podcast? Okay. And at that point I was like, this is my journey is to be my best fricking self and to be a leader of myself so that I can be a leader of others.

 

 08:50

And, lead by example, right? Speak with truth, speak with love. And that was the kind of the beginning of this movement, which then found itself into being psychedelic coaching when I realized that so many people are where I was back in 2014, which is they may have had a few novice experiences with psychedelics that have either been wild to say the least, incredibly negative or destabilizing.

 

 09:18

And most of the time people approach these things with fear. So my my calling came to me when I realized that there are so many people kind of like our parents, like the older generation that may have tried something in the 60s or 70s, totally bought the war on drugs.

 

 09:35

And now are at this point where they're like, hey, you know, these modalities, some of my therapy, my medications, there's something that isn't working right now for me in this modern system. And I'm ready to take control of my own health.

 

 09:49

And a huge part of intentional psychedelic practice is owning your own health journey, your own wellness journey. So that's that started the foundation of this whole thing. Yeah, you won't find me arguing with that.

 

 10:04

My favorite question is, I like to dig into like, you've been around the usage of psychedelics, you've been around the misuses, but mostly a lot of beneficial uses. And you've had a lot of conversations, you've seen the repetitions, you've worked with a lot of people, what based off of your experience, so like, you know, there's stuff we hear everywhere, but really, based off of your experience, what's something that you know,

 

 10:31

and you can see clearly, that other people might not, because they haven't had the experience that you've had working with this stuff. Well, I think the first the first golden rule of psychedelic use is proper set and setting, something that you may have heard about if you're in, if you're interested.

 

 10:53

in it at all or have watched any of these documentaries or read the books that have been becoming more and more popular. And just a quick overview of what set and setting is, is where you decide to consume these substances and what mindset you are in while you do that.

 

 11:08

And I think that we have been trained, most of us unfortunately have been kind of like brainwashed in a lot of ways to believe that if we are sick, there is an external source that is causing it and there's an external source that can fix it, right?

 

 11:22

Like if we are ill, that's not our fault and there's nothing we can do about it. So we must go seek external help, right? And that could be doctors, pharmaceuticals, surgeries, any of these things. And a lot of times that can be extremely helpful.

 

 11:37

I don't for a second discredit. I mean, the modern medical system saved my life as a cancer survivor. But I will say that there's a lot of like ease and like disowning that. And I think that the biggest piece of it is.

 

 11:50

When you decide to start an intentional psychedelic practice, it's really just becoming like you are owning your own consciousness in your own journey. And that's why I wanted to teach you impactful, yet responsible psychedelic use, as opposed to like, hey, here's another new substance that's going to make you all better.

 

 12:09

It just isn't that way. Yeah, and it's so misunderstood. And I really want to second that. Owning your own health is like you have to have that kind of at the base of the pyramid. That's that's huge.

 

 12:24

You have to accept responsibility. That's huge. And I just wanted to toss in one more thing based off the mistakes I may have made in the past. And you mentioned going into it, set and setting and mindset.

 

 12:36

And a mistake that I've made is maybe I've been hung over once or twice in my life. But taking mushrooms when I was hung over in a low energy state resulted in a bad experience because my body was not in a good state.

 

 12:49

So you're set, you're setting your mindset and your dosage, the people you're around, you know, these things are important. Absolutely, absolutely. And I mean, and these things are also important because when we start to prepare ourselves for like peak mindsets for a psychedelic experience, you start to realize that these things can be achieved without the psychedelics at all, right?

 

 13:10

You know better than anybody. Getting into great a great workout, breathwork, cold plunges. There's a million different of these like state changes. Like these things are very, very powerful and they don't necessarily need to be combined with psychedelics to have a profound fact.

 

 13:27

Yeah. So you mentioned that some of the benefits and the results that people get creativity, a deeper sense of purpose, connection to God or something spiritual. What other benefits are there? You know, I'm thinking people with anxiety, people with depression.

 

 13:45

What else? What have you seen? So my specialty is helping, like I said, some of these more conservative folks that are just a bit newer or intermediate with their psychedelic use. So while I have had complete spiritual connectivity and these massive, you know, you call them energetic transfers, all this sort of like mystical type of verbiage, I avoid that with most of my clients because I realized that that could really turn somebody off who doesn't necessarily recognize hasn't been in that state yet.

 

 14:21

So I really try to focus on something that's very practical yet impactful, right? And that's also why we focus mostly on micro dosing, which is taking us extremely small amounts of psychedelics for a sub perceptual effect, as opposed to going into these large scale doses, which could cause these massive experiences that could change your life for the better, but they can also be really destabilizing and really hurt you as well.

 

 14:45

So my specialty is working with people. specifically in microdosing. Now, later down the road, if they feel more comfortable and they've worked up these other mindfulness practices to do something a little bit larger, such as like a large -scale dosage, ayahuasca, something like that, we go down that road.

 

 15:02

But to answer your question about why people approach psychedelics in general, I like to say that there's usually four reasons why most people are approaching psychedelics right now. There's issues with anxiety and depression that have not been resolved by traditional methods.

 

 15:19

That's a big one. There's also addiction. Addiction and thought pattern repetition, right? Our inability to kind of get out of our routines, our lifestyles, because addiction is not just heroin, right?

 

 15:34

I mean, screen usage, biggest addiction on the planet right now, in my opinion. People also are looking for like more of the positive side. They want heightened focus and clarity and presence in their life.

 

 15:45

And then the third one is improving their own personal relationships, first and foremost with themselves, but then also with their loved ones, with their business partners, the people who are closest to them in their life.

 

 15:58

So I'd say those are the big four reasons. And almost every single one of my clients has come to me with some combination of those needs. Yeah, you mentioned some people have fear and stigmas and conceptions around it.

 

 16:12

What I want to emphasize is you use the word sub perceptible and we're talking about micro dosing. We're not talking about having an experience that's overwhelming and out of control and drunk or whatever they've been conditioned to think from some other sources.

 

 16:29

So talk a bit about that. About the experience of micro dosing? Well, the size of the sub perceptible. Sure, well, in the micro dosing journal, which is my flagship product, kind of like the core of our program, we have a ton of visual representations.

 

 16:47

We go through a... massive introduction on psychedelics and microdosing including the dosage chart, which shows how we take roughly three to five grams for a profound experience of psilocybin journey, which is the active ingredient in what you would call magic mushrooms or what people consult maybe shrooms or something like that.

 

 17:10

So three to five grams for like a big experience. That's usually a therapeutic dose if we're looking at kind of more scientific approaches, but when we were in our teenage years and I first tried it, it was like you eat an eighth of mushrooms, which is 3 .5 grams.

 

 17:26

Now I've never eaten more than that personally, but I have experienced roughly that amount and it is quite earth shattering. Like you definitely don't want to be driving. You don't want to be, you don't have any responsibilities other than to be on in this process.

 

 17:41

I'm sure you know that as well. We've, we've had some of those experiences. Microdosing, if you were to take a five gram heroic dose, which is the largest that they do most typically in therapeutic settings.

 

 17:56

We're talking about one -tenth of one gram. So a microdosing capsule that has one -tenth of one gram of psilocybin in it, you would have to eat 50 microdosing capsules in order to reach that heroic dose.

 

 18:10

So we are talking absolutely almost like you said, non -perceptual amounts. So the effects that kind of tend to come up are somewhere similar to what you might expect from potentially like an SSRI or like an Adderall or an amphetamine or something like that.

 

 18:28

But it's very much different. It's like just an increased sense of awareness and presence. And a lot of times that increase in awareness and presence tends to feel like being slightly happier because you're just more aware of your thoughts and feelings and emotions.

 

 18:43

So you have when you're a bit more aware, you have a bit more control in that situation. And what we talk about is microdosing is a lot like braces for your mind, small subtle shifts, like little bits of change throughout each day that can lead to massive changes, which is effectively the core of a coaching program as well.

 

 19:01

Yeah. What I've noticed is whenever you have an intense situation where it could be instead of doing moderate cardio and walking, I could go outside and sprint, or I can take a high dose. Whenever you get intensity involved and extremes involved, there's always a lot of risk.

 

 19:19

So when you can de -risk things with a smaller dose and still get great benefits, I think that's always a good idea. I want to ask you, you said that those people might take for like a therapeutic experience is 3 .5 to 5 grams.

 

 19:34

And a microdose is a 0 .1 gram. So it's 1 35th, 1 50th. And it's not like you feel a whole, or do you feel a whole lot? What do you feel when you're on 0 .1? Well, it's interesting you say that because I took a microdose today and the microdoses that I take are actually 0 .05 of a gram of psilocybin.

 

 19:59

So even less than what we're talking about is like a low lowest microdose. I also combine it with lion's mane mushroom and niacin. And as we're having this conversation, I can feel the small dose of niacin start to flush my skin.

 

 20:12

So ironic question to call right now to ask me right now. As I dab the sweat off my brow, you know, we focus on the minimum effective dose, right? What is the lowest amount that you can consume to have a an effective and positive experience with a microdose?

 

 20:36

So what I notice when I come on, when I have a low microdose is slightly more aware of my surroundings, slightly more focused, and often oftentimes things kind of come up to the surface. Sometimes emotions start to bubble up that aren't necessarily, they're not always positive, but they're definitely not usually negative, but it's more like it allows me to kind of process what's going on in real time,

 

 21:03

which can be extremely helpful in a world where we're kind of programmed to kind of push things down, push things away. So I find the therapeutic benefits of microdosing to be very powerful on top of the heightened creativity, the presence, the energy levels, ability to stay focused longer.

 

 21:20

I hope that answers your question. Yeah, it does. In your experience, working with microdoses with people you know, or you know, directly or sort of indirectly, have you ever heard of anyone having an overly intense, traumatic or regrettable experience when they use a microdose as small as 0 .1 or 0 .5 or 0 .05?

 

 21:45

It's extremely rare. Like I mentioned, I've worked with nearly 200 different clients at this point. And what I've noticed that someone who is prone to anxiety may have their first microdose and they're already feeling a bit anxious about that because they're new to the experience.

 

 22:08

And so when mild effects do come up, their anxiety starts to take hold. And effectively, it goes back to what we were just talking about of how like these emotions start to come to the surface where we can actually work on them.

 

 22:20

But for someone who is struggling with anxiety, a lot of times, those feelings are what they're consistently trying to push down. So for those to be kind of coming up, that can be a negative experience or perceived negative experience for them when they're like, hey, I thought this was going to put me in the zone at work.

 

 22:35

And instead, I'm like, actually going through some of these tough, anxiety provoking feelings and emotions that I've been plagued with. And it's just not good timing for this. That's what I've noticed.

 

 22:46

And that's a very few folks. I also want to add, sorry to interrupt, that when people combine their microdosing with things like a lot of caffeine, if we're drinking coffee morning, or with cannabis, with alcohol, with other pharmaceuticals, you start to get out, you get you get out of your realm of variables versus control.

 

 23:12

Right? So now you're like, is this the microdose? Or is this the entourage effect of me smoking a joint and microdosing or having three cups of coffee like I normally do and microdosing? Right? So you start to lose your ability to gauge what is the effect of the microdose.

 

 23:29

Yeah. When I think about like why I've used microdoses over the years, I feel like for me, it helps me get like unstuck or like I get caught in my regular patterns and then a micro dose, I'm living the same life, the same routine, the same structure but I take the micro dose and now I start to see things from a different angle, from a different perspective.

 

 23:53

Which types of like career fields or professions have benefited from like micro dosing? Who's talking about the most or what are you seeing? Well, I'd say that the birthing of the micro dosing community came from the kind of like Silicon Valley, Burning Man, entrepreneur space.

 

 24:14

But that quickly kind of spread out, especially with the documentaries that were released, Fantastic Fungi, which talks about Paul Stamets adventures in his career, as well as Michael Pollan's How to Change Your Mind.

 

 24:27

That really created this platform that expanded knowledge of psychedelics and micro dosing all over the world. So recently I've been working with executives, creatives, even people who are retired and kind of like post in the later areas of their career that are looking to find more passion in their muses, right?

 

 24:52

Really starting to, they've overly committed to their career, to their family, to their financial position for almost their entire lives. And now they're maybe empty nesters, they're semi -retired. They're kind of on the late stages of their financial timeline, but they're like, what now?

 

 25:10

Why do I still have these underlying issues? I feel unfulfilled. And a lot of times the micro dosing can be extremely helpful in that type of soul searching period too. So I have clients that are very, very clear that they just want to have an edge to their work.

 

 25:27

They wanna focus, they wanna be able to put in those long hours, stay focused, meet deadlines. There's a lot of people who use it for productivity, focus and clarity. And then there's other people who are looking for almost as much as they do.

 

 25:40

like the inverted side of that. They wanna be able to transition away from that type of feeling and get into more of like a flow state in a creative area, whether it's woodworking or being an artist or a musician or writing or building a house or even going back to the other side of like building a business takes a lot of creativity.

 

 25:58

How do I curate my offer? How do I find my leads? How do I execute my sales? How do I scale and delegate these types of things? It's like, it can really help you kind of get out of your patterns like you said, Matt and start to think about how do I work on my business rather than in my business?

 

 26:13

And it kind of transferred a life too. Yeah, that's got me, man. You got me really excited about micro doesn't know. Where are we with legally the trajectory? What path has it's psilocybin, right? So where is psilocybin?

 

 26:33

How far have we come from this stigmatized, and how is it working itself in legally right now? Well, that's obviously a very complex answer, right? That's gonna be very state dependent. And, but I think what I like to talk about is first and foremost, the Colorado landscape is that psilocybin has been decriminalized in Denver and they are actively working with entrepreneurs and scientists and doctors to bring a regulated market to Colorado that's similar but different to the cannabis industry,

 

 27:10

right? So cannabis came on board 2009 -ish then went recreational. And I think we can mostly agree that psychedelics and psilocybin should not follow that trajectory exactly. However, we do have the foundation laid here of like allowing a legal alternative medication industry to flourish in Colorado.

 

 27:37

And so the stigma and the enthusiasm is on let's get this regulated, let's get this out because we are in a mental health crisis and we need something to help us improve as a nation and as a world. So I'm very optimistic in my space here on the ground floor in Colorado, seeing what's happening on the legal side but there's no telling how the federal government is gonna approach this, especially considering they still have not legalized cannabis after all these years of successful regulated industries and I think the vast majority of the states at this point.

 

 28:15

And there's other states that have decriminalized as well to mixed results but it seems like the stigma is slowly shifting. I think that people are struggling out there and people are interested in any modality that can help them and if psychedelics and other of these alternative medications, I mean, ketamine is leading the pack because it is already an approved pharmaceutical.

 

 28:37

that they are now using for therapeutic effects rather than more like sedative and dissociative effects and like surgeries. MDMA and psilocybin are quickly like coming up the ranks with the helps of associations like MAPS that are pushing and they've been pushing since like the seventies to legalize and regulate some of these perceived illegal substances that have actually been here longer than any of us and been used by humans longer than any of us.

 

 29:05

There are, you know, there's MAPS, which is a group of people or a big group that is kind of behind the psychedelic movement, pushing it forward. As that moves forward, like do you know up off the top of your head, like they have to get evidence, they have to have studies, they have to have some kind of proof.

 

 29:25

Do you recall any like studies or like hard evidence of like something, like it's really solving a specific problem? Well, yes, so. Like I'm not the scientific type. I'm the guy who saves and bookmarks these things so I can pull them up and send you a link when somebody asked me about this sort of shit.

 

 29:42

And I fully own that. So I'm not gonna try to rattle off some data that I can't stand on. However, I did go to the MAPS conference last year in Denver, Colorado, where I was lucky enough to join like 15 ,000 people in the heart of downtown Denver that were entrepreneurs and cultural leaders, scientists, doctors.

 

 30:03

I mean, this was a massive, massive events, you know, like comedians and athletes and all sorts of people came to explore where psychedelic science was heading. And the overwhelming results that a lot that these tests are showing is that psychedelics can help us get closer to our own source of health.

 

 30:28

So what I saw is I would be in these panels and they were talking about the effects on PTSD with soldiers, right? That's a big one. Like the VA is very much considering using psychedelics and therapy to help with PTSD.

 

 30:41

There's also depression and anxiety and there's breaking addictions, right? And time after time, we kept seeing that in these controlled studies, you were seeing remarkable results across the field. So rather than looking at it as like, oh, this is really good for this versus that ailment.

 

 31:05

It seems like psychedelics can once again, allow us to recognize our own inner power and our own inner creative source, which is just such a powerful place to begin healing across the board. And the other term for psychedelics, which I love using is Enfiajin, which stands for the God or the creator within is what Enfiajin.

 

 31:27

And that's, from my experiences and the overwhelming experience of most of my clients, that seems to be the... the reoccurring feeling is like, I feel more in touch with myself. I feel more appreciative of this life that we're in, this current reality.

 

 31:44

And that can just be so profound across the board and all different types of ailments. Yeah, much more connected. So you've created a pretty cool life, Seth. I mean, this is part of your work. Being a rock star is part of your work.

 

 32:02

You spend part of your time in Colorado. You spend a chunk of time in Hawaii. Some of my friends want to know about energy and productivity. So how do you think being in different environments, and this is off the topic of the microdosing, but just generally, how do you think being in different environments impacts your productivity and energy?

 

 32:28

Well, What I've noticed recently is I've been becoming more and more in touch with like, I wouldn't say my feminine side, but my my balance, recognizing that like every human is some beautiful kind of swirling combination of feminine and masculine energies.

 

 32:48

Right. And that that dictates into how we generate our relationships, who we are attracted to both as friends as business partners, romantic partners. And I recognize that I tend to get overly masculine and rigid and like I call it on my grind when I'm in Colorado.

 

 33:08

It's like every day is like, okay, I got my my treadmill desk right here and I've got my my workstation. I got a million things to do. I've got goals. I've got deadlines. I want to crush it. I want to crush my work at all these things.

 

 33:19

These are not bad things, but it can tend to get over. It can tend to start getting toxic for lack of a better word because I'm not respecting my own ability to be in flow and to and to breathe and to let my life and to live my life as opposed to try to control my life.

 

 33:36

When when one of my teachers once said that, you know, the masculine is always trying to tame the water. Right. We're trying to build boats. We're trying to build dams and bridges and we're creating this structure in order to like sail the seven seas.

 

 33:50

Right. But the feminine is the ocean and we can't control it. Like the waves are going to come. The storms come. Like it's a swirl and we have to be able to like ride those waves. We have to understand what's going on around us.

 

 34:02

So to answer your question, Denver is a beautiful place for me to grind. Like I love being here and networking and making new clients and sales. Hawaii is where I find my my divine, like yen, my feminine side.

 

 34:20

It's where I write a lot of music. It's where I get back in touch with nature. And it also helps me feel way more in balance with my masculine side because I operate this business no matter what. where I go.

 

 34:33

So for me being in Hawaii, I get to exercise my, usually my yang masculine side is in the morning, like workout, coffee, meditation, you know, morning routine and then into work until like lunchtime or late or excuse me, like early afternoon, then consciously leave the computer at the house and go to the beach or go to the jungle and sing songs, write music, spend time with my friends or my girlfriend,

 

 35:00

just be in nature, swim in the ocean, right? And there's something so powerful about that. And I would say like work life balance, I would say more of like a counterbalance. Right? Yeah, that sounds freaking awesome, dude.

 

 35:13

You live by the ocean. Oh, come January. Yeah. I love that. Because like, I mean, I spent a lot of my days in the masculine and it's really booked up tight. And, and I try to create these spaces. And gosh, if I had half the day and I had a different environment, it's something I'm working towards.

 

 35:35

And that perspective of like almost the feminine and reconnecting and the environment, the waves, the water, and connecting more with that. I'm gonna think more about that, that's good. Let's see, before we wrap it up Seth, I have like some classic rapid fire questions and then I wanna find out where we can find you, where we can find other things.

 

 36:00

So you ready for some rapid fire questions? Oh wait, let's see it. When you were a kid, what was your favorite food? You know, I love bagel and cream cheese. My dad's from New York. That was always like a special treat, basic, but damn, is that a good combo.

 

 36:22

Cool. If you're gonna have a drink with anyone that are alive, who would it be and what would you drink? Well, are we talking about drinking alcohol? Drinking meth. Let's say you could have a psychedelic experience with anyone dead or alive or a really deep, intense, connected conversation with anyone dead or alive, who would it be?

 

 36:43

Well, I mean, I think my natural tendency is to say John Lennon, because he was my largest inspiration when it comes to songwriting and just being an absolute rock star. Though he does have the history and the reputation of being kind of an asshole.

 

 36:58

So I don't necessarily know if that would be the guy I would love to, I like this because I don't drink. I would rather say that I would drink medicine with, right? So who would I rather have an ayahuasca experience with or a psychedelic experience of any type?

 

 37:15

I think on the topic of a rapid fire, I think maybe Tim Ferriss. I've loved that guy forever. He's been such a huge inspiration. And he's also just this like treasure trove of information. Again, he may be kind of wired tight and kind of...

 

 37:29

of weird medium in person. But in the spirit of us doing these rapid fire questions, I'll say Tim Ferris. When I say which book has influenced you most, what's the first one that comes to mind? I know you're an avid reader.

 

 37:43

Well, I got to go back to to Tim Ferris again, because I'm looking up above my on my bookshelf. And it was his books that basically inspired me to start researching everything else that I ended up getting into, whether it be hot and cold therapies, ketogenic, keto ketosis, psychedelic research, more or less, working out kettlebells, all these things.

 

 38:10

And he has such a beautiful way of introducing you to these concepts, like, like, here's 1220 100 different tips of icebergs. Now choose one and start going down and see what what you find. Which book did you like the best?

 

 38:24

Which Tim Ferris book like the best? Uh, I liked them all. I would say that, uh, I mean, I think tools of Titans was the most concentrated amount of information. When I read, when I got that book, I mean, it's like, it's a fat book.

 

 38:39

And I remember getting it for I think Christmas or right before. And I read that thing straight through in about a month. I just couldn't stop. Nice. Yeah, that was a good one. Um, all right. So I have this, uh, morning fitness class for busy dads and, you know, a big part of that is me being the DJ.

 

 38:57

So, uh, I got to ask if you're going to work out and you're going to hyped up, you're trying to pump yourself up. What's your favorite all time workout hype song? Well, you know, my, my inspiration, I love, I love like classic rock, as well as I'm a kid of the nineties.

 

 39:14

So there's a lot of that nineties rock and early two thousands that really like just gets me off. I also love hip hop, but I think the key to being a good DJ is reading the room and recognizing what your clients want, right?

 

 39:26

Cause you can, I think we've all been at that wedding where like the couple just wants to play their favorite songs. And it's like a bunch of like emo tracks or some shit that people don't really know it's like girls with a five, just cause it's your guy's favorite song.

 

 39:39

There's nothing wrong with that, but you got to be able to like play the room. And my, one of my closest friends is a DJ. And so we talk about this quite often. I would say, uh, you know, I love like raging against the machine.

 

 39:51

Great, great workout music. Uh, and on that same note, uh, run the jewels, newer rap duo that has had, um, Zach Delaroche from raging against the machine feature on some of his track on some of their tracks, um, it's kind of like the raging as a machine of hip hop is what I would, is what I would say.

 

 40:09

It's funny how you like, uh, you kind of defined it almost exactly what I play. It's, it's more classic rock. Um, it's less, uh, hip hop because of the lyrics and some of the guys are a bit older, so like it's eighties, nineties, maybe even seventies, like rock music.

 

 40:24

That's what we play. You know, I had, uh, I have playlist, I'll send it over to you. That's just like, hundred something songs of just amp up, you know, put it on shuffle and workout, right. And I'll send that over to you.

 

 40:37

But you know, last night or yesterday morning, I was working out with my friend, and it was really hitting hard. And I remember Thunderstruck, AC DC, just just like, absolutely classic workout song. And I remember back when I was doing a lot more class workouts, our fitness coach would do the, you know, you do jumping jacks until they say thunder, and then you do a burpee.

 

 41:00

Do that, try that with one of your clients or with your group as a closer. And by the end, everyone's just down. Everyone's done. Yeah, one of the guys in the morning class is one of our mutual friends.

 

 41:11

And when I said what's one song, he said Thunderstruck. That's funny. Yeah, no, get you up there. Right. So, um, you know, people are like, all right, I'm ready to move forward with this process. Back to micro dose.

 

 41:25

I'm ready to move forward. with micro dosing. And I don't know where to get this stuff. I don't want to get fentanyl or whatever. Like, how do you solve that problem? Because it's because it's illegal in some places, right?

 

 41:36

Most places, this, this is the chief issue with people are like, okay, I've, I've checked it out. I'm ready to like, dive in a little bit. I want to like learn about this. I want to find safe medicine, right?

 

 41:48

That's a huge piece of the puzzle. So my suggestion is, first of all, do your own research, look into it, really understand what you're looking for. Because again, like if you're look, if you go right in and take way too much, you're going to be in trouble.

 

 42:02

So my suggestion as a coach is to start very low with micro dosing, which is immediately going to reduce the potential harm that you could do to yourself while you're experimenting with psychedelic research.

 

 42:14

If someone's interested in working with me specifically, I have tons of resources on sourcing responsibly all around the globe. And it is more of an art than a science. But we have available test kits, recommended sourcing, we've got it all figured out to what degree we can right now.

 

 42:34

So I would recommend people book a call with me, we can hop on, I do free, free introductory calls, we can see what system work best for them, whether or not it's working with me directly, or working in the micro dosing program, or any of these courses that I offer.

 

 42:49

booking a call with me, we can get figured out what exactly makes them tick in what they're looking for in their micro dosing journey. Yeah, and another tool that that you've created is this micro dosing journal.

 

 43:02

What inspired you to create that? The micro dosing journal is my favorite, because you've known me since 2016. And I've always been a note taker. I've always been into journaling. And for me, journaling saved me from depression.

 

 43:17

So without going into too much about it. It's just very simply like, if I feel like a fucking loser, I can at least journal. about it and realize that maybe today did suck, but it was like more of like a C minus than an F.

 

 43:31

And I think that that sort of ability to step outside and look from a top down approach on how you're actually performing and how you're feeling can be so helpful. So that was like the, that was a huge part of what I love about journaling.

 

 43:46

And then I started to think like, I want to do, I want to create my own perfect journal. So I've been on a journey to kind of create my own journal for years. And I created something else a while ago that wasn't quite right.

 

 43:58

And then when I started doing the microdosing work, I realized like this is the key. So I created the microdosing journal, which is a three month guided program that not only teaches everything about safe and effective psychedelic use, but also has daily accountability and goal setting and tracking in order to like really understand how your process is going.

 

 44:20

Cause it's not just about the microdosing, it's about. Your life, are you working out? Are you doing your breath work? Are you happy in your relationships? Are you speaking your truth? Are you having those tough conversations?

 

 44:32

Are you meeting deadlines? There's so much that a personal writing practice can help. So I know that personal writing and journaling has saved my life. It keeps me on the absolute best side of my own mental health and applying it to a microdosing journey when people are just starting to figure this out.

 

 44:48

It's so helpful to have like a companion that is like, okay, so like, I didn't really notice much today. But then if I look back like two weeks ago, I was grumpy every day. Now I'm grumpy like one day a week.

 

 45:00

Like that's something that we can actually celebrate, right? And you lose that when you're just constantly in this like, what is my emotional stock ticker right now? Because most of the time when we're in that state, we're usually either like things are okay, or things are just absolute trash, right?

 

 45:14

And that's a dangerous place to be in. That's like the state of depression is when you just consistently feel like you're a loser. And I think that journaling can really help give us like more of an accurate rating on how we're actually doing.

 

 45:27

Yeah, what's really jumped out at me, Seth, I'm gonna wrap it up here, is your ability to really expand in the arts and then expand in the sciences and be really logical, but then feel really connected emotionally and artistically.

 

 45:45

I think that's, dude, you're exceptional at that, man. Yeah, I've always loved our friendship and we've been like colleagues in life, basically, forever, since we had that magical Wachuma ceremony back in Peru, 2016.

 

 46:07

Yeah, and I would go back to just saying like the music and my time in Hawaii, my time in nature has really helped me understand the feminine side of me is such a strong place to be, the vulnerability side, because my ability to share my...

 

 46:24

story and recognize the commonalities of like the human suffering and the human celebration. We're so much more unified than we are separated, especially like right now when everything seems to be pointing us in like division and left, right, whatever.

 

 46:42

I think it's such bullshit. And I think that we need to recognize that we are all the same species and that we're all in this thing together. And that's kind of the my mission in life is to be like, you know what, like everybody deserves optimal health.

 

 46:58

That's not it's not just for like the the Burning Man hippies who are you know, like the generation of Grateful Dead fans or you know, these these types of people, like psychedelics can help everybody as long as we're working on it in like a responsible safe environment.

 

 47:14

And so that's why I'm on this mission to help, you know, our parents generation, right, the people who are a little hesitant to it. So we can start very, very basic and see what we can do. And I've already seen so many remarkable results with clients.

 

 47:28

And I'm just, I'm so stoked that this is what I'm doing right now. Everyone deserves optimal health. I think everyone deserves a clear path in life. Seth, thanks. Thanks a lot for jumping on the podcast today.

 

 47:40

I'm going to have all the links in the show notes. Anything specifically you want to mention? Well, the getting more and more out there, Amazon, you know, these other platforms, I've created an online course to help guide people through it.

 

 47:57

So if you like what I have to say, you're going to get a whole lot of it. You decide to go down the course because I have a step by step throughout this entire three month program. So it's not just buy a book and figure it out.

 

 48:10

It's like we're in it along the way. And if you're interested in working directly, reach out to me. I take a limited amount of clients, but I'm happy to talk with you and figure out the best possible solution for your needs.

 

 48:23

Awesome. Thanks a lot, Seth. I hope you guys had a great walk. We'll see you next time.